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Subject: Outline posted
Author: Derek Sears <dsears@uark.edu>
Date: 19-Jul-2010 19:31:01
Sounds good, Mark.

I guess I have spent a large part of my career campaigning for samplescientists to get more involved in missions, and jargon and softwarebarriers are a problem.  It is interesting that much the pressurefor sample return comes from remote sensors, and not sample scientists,and meteoriticists are notoriously absent at the DPS meetings.  Youcan bet that when hand samples come back, rather than the highlyspecialized samples of Stardust and Genesis, the meteoriticists will beall over them as they were with the Apollo samples.

Derek

At 02:21 PM 7/19/2010, Mark V. Sykes wrote:
Hi Derek -

There has been talk between the PDS and the Sample Curation Facility atNASA JSC about the possibility of putting their information about samplesand the analysis reports they get from people into electronic format in away that PDS could gain access to that information. A lot of thatinformation is in pdf documents! This might be appropriate for adiscussion between CAPTEM and SBAG - perhaps resulting in a jointposition on what NASA should be doing to draw all of the information itis paying for into a single data system (within or accessible by PDS).The PDS covers all of planetary, so it is necessarily a hodgepodge, butit should allow scientists of different disciplines and subdisciplineswithin the field to dive in and efficiently find information in itsholdings if it exists (and the data you are talking about is basicallyabsent from PDS).

Mark

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Planetary Science Institute
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I think there is an issue with integrating sample data and missiondata, especially in an era of increasing sample return.  In somecases, there an obvious overlap (e.g. reflectance spectra) and lab(sample) data are posted on PDS alongside reflectance spectra obtained byobservatories and missions.  But what about the direct chemical andphysical analysis of extraterrestrial samples?  At the moment dataare diffused through the literature or are in private and commercialdatabases, with a lot of duplication of effort.  Is there a case forNASA creating a sample node on the PDS where the analyses of allextraterrestrial samples can be posted?   

I agree that at the moment the PDS is a hodge podge where someentries are essentially individual publications and others require voodoo magic to access.

At 11:20 AM 7/19/2010, you wrote:
Please send me or circulate your thoughts about the issues that needto be addressed on this topic that should be built into the outline. Thiswill be the basis for discussion during my presentation on this at theSBAG meeting in Pasadena on Aug 4.

Examples of issues on my mind are:

* Missions tend to strive for meeting minimum (and minimal) dataproduction and archive requirements. This makes it more difficult fornon-mission scientists to extract science from the mission. Part of theproblem is that data product generation and archiving is a late phaseactivity, subjecting its (usually underestimated) budget to raidingearlier in the mission.
* Data products should be available in formats broadly usable by theplanetary community. There is a tendency among instrument teams to createnon-standard products suited to in-house analysis programs (diminishingexternal competition in the analysis of the data).
* Planetary research programs have supported the acquisition of largevolumes of data sitting in the offices of researchers. Is PMDAPsufficient to encourage the archiving of this data?
* How should archiving of data from future research funded byplanetary research programs be encouraged or required? Could part of thefunding supplied by NASA to ground-based facilities such as IRTF be usedto ensure that data generated to PDS compliant standards with requiredancillary files automatically generated?
* How easy is it for researchers to find data archived in the PDS (ordetermine it is not there)? Are adequate tools and interfaces provided byPDS for the small bodies community?

Mark

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Mark V. Sykes, Ph.D., J.D.,
CEO and Director
Planetary Science Institute
1700 E. Fort Lowell, Suite 106
Tucson, AZ 85719
520-622-6300


Greetings Everyone -
A preliminary outline for the Data Products, Archiving, and Accesssection of the NASA Roadmap for Small Bodies Exploration has been postedat

http://www.psi.edu/~sykes/sbag/roadmap/
Mark
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CEO and Director
Planetary Science Institute
1700 E. Fort Lowell, Suite 106
Tucson, AZ 85719
520-622-6300





Derek W. G. Sears
University Professor
W. M. Keck Professor of Space and Planetary Sciences
Arkansas Center for Space and Planetary Science and
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
University of Arkansas
Fayetteville
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W. M. Keck Professor of Space and Planetary Sciences
Arkansas Center for Space and Planetary Science and
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
University of Arkansas
Fayetteville
Arkansas 72701

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